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thanks for wrapping up your week with the cycle. the president wrapped up his week with a trip to the burbs pushing tax relief for middle america. >> a jobs bill passed the house this morning. i repeat a jobs bill passed the house this morning. >> and heard it from sc, big news from the capital oil. we're awaiting big news from the nation's highest court. will gay marriage finally be put on the docket. >> and tgif. thank goodness it's filibuster reform. wait that's not it? >> i can barely hear myself think over jonathan's shirt.
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>> love it. >> when i was growing up in the suburbs, i didn't think it was the center of society. we went to the mall, we played in the back stuff, did stuff we weren't supposed to in the bachlts. but the soul of the middle class society was being born in the burbs. which is why when the president needs to speak to real americans, he takes his tax cut fight to the suburbs in philly. >> i'm already missing the time that i spent on the campaign visiting towns like this and talking to folks like you. if congress does nothing, every family in america will see their income taxes automatically go up on january 1st. i'm assuming that doesn't sound too good to you. that's sort of like the lump of coal you get for christmas.
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that's a scrooge christmas. >> we although about a scrooge christmas over here. house majority whip kevin mccarthy is out with his own campaign style video featuring a small business owner who will see his taxes spike if the obama plan passes. >> this notion of $250,000 being top 2% or the wealthy people in america ignores the way most small businesses work in america. our company has figured out how to survive in this economy and how to be successful in this economy. the first thing we'll want to do with any income that i have is tax it? that's uncertainty. >> kristen welker is at the white house. critics said the president wasn't pushing a bald deal focusing more on taxes than spending. now the white house is out with its formal debt proposal which mitch mcconnell says he laughed at when tim geithner showed to him. what's so funny? >> reporter: to put the plan into context, first of all, this
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is the president's opening bid. and essentially comes after he's feeling emboldened by his re-election knowing there's not a whole lot in here that republicans will like off the bat. so just to take a look he it specifics, $1.6 trillion in new taxes, $400 billion in entitlement cuts. $50 billion in new stimulus. and then a proposal to end congress' control of the debt limit. republicans on the hill are essentially calling this plan a nonstarter. house speaker john boehner saying this is not serious. cantor echoing those remarks. they say they want to see fewer taxes and deeper cuts to entitlements. the white house is saying, okay, put your plan on the table. so they're waiting to essentially hear from republicans about what their plan is to reform entitlements. as you mentioned, president obama as part of his strategy out on the road today in the suburbs of philadelphia really trying to turn up the heat on congressional republicans to get on board with his plan to
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increase taxes on wealthier americans and republicans have been firing back all day long. but the clock is ticking. there is not a whole lot of time left here. you remember there was that sort of harmonious tone that came out of the first meeting that president had with congressional leaders. right now we're look at a stalemate. john boehner call this had a stalemate earlier today. president obama doesn't have any specific plans that the white house is reading out to talk to congressional leaders, but they say he will remain in contact with him in the coming days. >> kristen welker at the white house. thank you vyou very much. now to governor ed rendell. the optics of the president in the burbs is interesting. why did he choose the suburbs for this fight? >> these are traditional swing voter, voters who decide elections in pennsylvania. right now pennsylvania statewide elections are decided in the philadelphia suburbs.
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they're a decent demographic. not by any means poor people, but not rich people. they are the heart of the middle class, spexactly who the presidt is talking to. >> let's talk more about this proposal by the president. i want to just play a quick clip from harry reid from earlier in the week. here's what he had to say. >> remember we've already done more than a billion dollars worth of cuts. we've already done that. so we need to get credit for that and these negotiations that take place. >> so democrats want credit for cutting a billion dollars when -- >> he meant a trillion dollars. >> and obama has put together a deal that proposes more spending, 400 billion in unspecified cuts that will be named later apparently. i thought the president wanted a balanced package. what's balanced about 4:1 tax hikes to spending cuts? >> well, first let me say harry misspoke.
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he meant that they've already done a trillion dollars in cuts in the last resolution and those play out over the next ten years. and that's correct. that's a fact. and the president has said consistently both on the campaign trail and after the election that he's for something on the lines of simpson-bowles which is at least 2.5:1 spending cuts to taxes. and i think he laid out the 400 and then said to the republicans you bring me other cuts and i'll consider them. and i think he understands that there will be significantly more spending cuts including on entitlements than there are taxes. >> so this is an opening point. >> an opening gambit as chris ten wel kristen welker said. the president's always been criticized by putting what he really wants on the table first. you do don't do that, staurt with something that's
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reasonable. ic ti think the $1.6 trillion i reasonable. but he knows he won't get $1.6 trillion in revenue. but he puts that out there because i think he probably wants to wind up at $1.1 trillion, $1.2 trillion, somewhere along that line. and you've got to start at a little higher figure. but the president make no mistake, he's committed to more spending cuts substantially. >> and i have to agree with you. one the criticisms that i have leveled at the president for his previous negotiations like with health care reform, rather than starting with what he actually wanted, he started with this very centrist proposal with the public option. it was then demonized as socialism and he had to move to the right from there. so i'm glad to see him putting a plan on the table that is something that he would actually want and that people like me and the base would actually want to see. but my question for you is there's obviously a lot of resistance from democrats about significantly cutting
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entitlements. meanwhile when you look at the fiscal cliff, no one wants to go over it, but it would result in increasing taxes on the wealthy and the cuts that would be made would predominantly fall in defense, an area democrats are more comfortable with cutting than entitlements. do you think democrats would rather go over the cliff than take a bad deal on medicare and medicaid? >> well, sure if you say take a bad deal. but look, i think every side in this negotiation has to understand they're not going to get exactly what we want. if we are going to ask republicans to vote for over a trillion dollars in increased revenue, and we know that's going to include some raising of the rates, maybe all the way to where the president wants or part of the way, if we ask them to do that, we have to give them something to take back to their constituencies and that will mean serious cuts in
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entitlement, restructured entitlements, sbiltsmeentitleme reform, and it can't come from just the providers. i know our base isn't going to like that, but it's a fact of life here. this is a time when there is short run pain for everybody. and we don't accept that. there is no way we'll do the deal of the magnitude we need without short run pain out there for everybody. and the hope is by doing this deal, the economy will literally take off and explode and that will benefit everybody who has absorbed short run pain. i commend the president for putting the $50 million in for infrastructure because that is a good job create are of well paying jobs. so let's give a little bit of that in the picture. but, look, we can't be naive and our base can't be obstinate. if we're asking them to do something difficult, we have to do something difficult. >> i hope the pain does actually fall equally on every and not just the middle class and the poor. >> i think the president will hold firm on that.
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absolutely. >> governor, so let's talk about the other part of this deal and that that's geithner's proposal to take the debt limit away from the congress and give to the president. what do you think about that from a policy perspective and, two, is this idea basically doa in. >> as a former executive in government, i think it's a great idea. but i would say that this will pass the congress about the the time that pigs fly. >> just do away with the debt ceiling all together. it doesn't make any sense to start with. >> that happens to be a great idea. that's a great idea. and that's something maybe reasonable people could agree on. >> crystal for congress. >> we had a fascinating discussion before the show and you were saying it's entirely ridiculous silly thing and just -- >> if congress is going to spend the money, if they want on spend
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less, then pass less spending through the house. totally arbitrary and stupid. >> when pigs fly as the governor said. thank you, governor, for everything. >> and i will 00 be search the to see some pigs. it's high time. the high court took up gay marriage. but will they? likely to find out this afternoon. pete williams is standing by inside the supreme court. we'll talk to him straight ahead. music is a universal language. but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. information on my phone. connection to doctors who get where i'm from. and tools to estimate what my care may cost. so i never missed a beat. we're more than 78,000 people looking out for
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big development expected from the high court. the justices are in private conference deciding whether or not to review any of the ten separate gay marriage appeals before them. pete williams joins us on the phone from inside the court. pete, what can you tell us? >> reporter: we're getting the order right now. i'll ask the court official if she can hand me an extra copy. but here it is. just this second here. and, well, we've been waiting all afternoon to see if the supreme court would take any of the gay marriage cases and we've just gotten aporders list here. and none of tgay marriage cases are on here. so it appears we won't hear today. i can't imagine that they would give us two orders list. i think this is it. so now the question is what does that mean. and it could mean one of several things. it could mean that the court wants more time to talk with
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these cases and will order them to be relisted and brought up again at another closed door conference. it could mean that they're not going to take the cases. on a day like today which is not a normal day for getting orders from the court, the only they think we would hear about is cases that they're going to take. so if there are cases they're not going to take, the first chance to hear about that would be this coming monday. so we'll have to wait until monday to get a better idea of what the deal is here. but i must say, i'm quite surprised for the simple reason that we have always assumed that there was a very good chance the supreme court would take the challenge to the federal defense of marriage act because you have an act of congress that has been overturned by several lower courts. and that's a red flag for the supreme court. so the fact that we're not getting it today doesn't mean we may not get it some other time, but it's a head scratcher, i
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have to say. >> so, pete, we didn't get the answer today. we could possibly get an answer on monday. so does that mean is monday the last possible day we could hear from the court on these issues, on this question? >> oh, no. if the court wants more time -- it sometimes happens that there's a big issue. it was already scheduled for one conference. and then changed to another today. and sometimes the court wants to keep chewing over these cases and they'll keep rescheduling them for future conferences. so we really can't conclude anything today. >> all right. pete williams at the supreme court. thanks for that breaking news. i want to bring the table into this. what do you make of that? >> to hear pete williams chuckle like that, we've all been waiting for a very long time to hear what the supreme court will
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decide in terms of which cases they'll take, whether they'll mush a few of them together. and particularly what are they going to do about california. for me, that is the big question. california, the prop 8 decision where voters of california voted to allow same-sex marriages and then a few months later voted to write into the state constitution that such unions were illegal. if the supreme court decides not to take up that case, then people in california -- gay people in california would be able to get married almost immediately. but if they do take up the case, then the question of a right to marry goes to the supreme court. very fascinating time. >> are you surprised that they decided not to -- >> yes, i am surprised. and i will be even more surprised if they don't do something on monday. i think a lot of people are waiting. >> i'm hoping that the supreme court will weigh in on this. i want to see the courts and perhaps the legislature deal with this and not leave to the voters because the voters often
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get these things wrong. i don't think civil rights question shoes go to voters partly because you get into the thing of the whim of the voters and where the political whims are. we don't vote in this country on fundamental rights. freedom of speech will always be there for us. and these sort of questions like marriage and family fall within that. i mean, how would we like it if this four years people say, well, you can be married to jonathan, i can be married to rita and then the next four year, we don't like it. >> although i'm sure he would make a wonderful spouse, i don't want to -- >> hopefully we'll find out one day. >> moving right along. >> but one point i want to make here is a lot of times the court reflects kints of where we are as a society and i think what's so interesting about this time right now is we're right on the cusp. you can really see the supreme court going either way where five years ago, you know, their decision would have been obvious coming down against same-sex
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marriage. five years from now i think it will likely be obviously other directions. that's not to say that the cases rbts important or that progress is inevitable. but i think that is the reality. another thing i've been wondering about is jennifer rubin, columnist for the "washington post," republican, wrote right after the election that the republican party should give up on opposing same-sex marriage as an issue and i wondered what you thought about that. >> well, first of all, there are parts of the republican party in which gay marriage has already been decided. for log cabin republicans like myself, the go-proud crowd, there are people who have already reconciled within the republican party gay marriage. would he h. we're comfortable with it, i support gay marriage. >> it's a wlib tearian position. >> it really is. conservatism and gay rights should be natural allies. keeping the government out of private lives. so there are already people who is been won over on that
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argument. as for the other, i think it's a little unfair to tell people for whom they're religious points of view might inform that decision that they're intolerant, that they're terrible people. they can have those points of view, but as a party, i think the gop needs to get a little bit more tolerant about those issues as a big tent party. not personally. you can personally disagree with gay marriage if you want. and by the way there are plenty of democrats who for religious reasons don't personally agree with gay marriage. but, yeah, i think the gop needs to move sort of beyond those intolerance arguments and talk about other things. >> a major sticking point for young voters. >> absolutely. up next, filibuster reform. we know it doesn't sound exiting, but with southern jimmy williams, even that can be fun. let the good times roll. melons!!! oh yeah!!
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1. science, technology, engineering and mathematics would provide visas to 55 immigrants annual tloi receive degrees in those fields and use what they learned and a apply that to american jobs. eric cantor praised the bill's package. >> we have seen not only american students, but many, many foreign nationals have come to this country to be educated at our colleges and universities. specifically in the s.t.e.m. areas in the graduate education programs. the bill that we passed will allow these individuals to have a green card if they get a diploma. >> democrats in the white house oppose the bill. it's likely doa in the senate. >> if you support this bill, you're saying that one group of
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immigrants is better than another. we take away visas and the only means of legal immigration from 50,000 people who may not have ph.d.s or master's degrees. talk about picking winners and losers. >> joining us now is the congressman who introduced the bill. it seems to solve a couple of problems at once. it keeps highly skilled tech work workers here in the country. it makes it easier for them to keep their families here. it's not comprehensive immigration reform, but it seems like a step in the right direction. yet of course the democrats don't approve. why not do you think? >> well, because they don't want to really solve the immigration problem. if you understand what's happened over the last few year, democrats love to use this tool to talk about immigration, attack republicans on immigration. but anytime we try to do anything positive on immigration over the last two years and even before under the bush
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administration, they vote for amendments and they do things that actually kills any hopes of immigration reform. i think it's time that we actually took a positive step. i realize this is not everything we have to do on immigration, but it's a really positive first step for us to fix this broken system. i was an immigration lawyer for 15 years. i realize there's a lot of things we have to fix in the immigration system. but this is one of the easiest things to fix and i think we should do it thousand. >> i would push back a little bit defense your characterization of the democrats on this issue, but that's for another time. what i want to talk about is the importance for your party to do something to reverse the thumping that you got in 2012 among latinos and this concept that the latinos may soon become attached to the democratic party the way blacks have become. >> and i agree with you. i think if we don't reach out to the what tee know community to the african-american community, to the asian american community, we're going to have a very difficult time winning national
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elections. but we shouldn't change our policies. what we need to change is the way that we deal with some of these issues. immigration should be a conservative position. there's actually a conservative solution to all the immigration problems that vex us right now. i think the hispanic community won't vote republican because we do something on immigration. but they're going to start listening to the republicans if we actually fix this problem. >> congressman, thanks for joining us today. turning to the other big legislative talker today, filibuster reform, harry reid's effort to change the tactic that's blamed for much of the gridlock in congress. and harry reid's efforts to change it got a boost yesterday with the backing of president obama. the white house released a statement of support, quote, the president has said many times that the american people are demanding action. they want to see progress and not partisan delay games. and while reid now has the president's support, he's still lobbying to get his own party ducks in the row as there are democrat being senators that remain unconvinced, not to
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mention of course the fierce opposition by the gop. speaker of the house john boehner is on the record saying the move is designed to marginalize republicans. in the guest spot today is our recent content specialist on the ways and means of congress. jimmy williams. thanks for being with us. >> happy friday. >> so our friend steve kornacki is not here, but he has strong feelingses on the shove philly filibuster reform. he thinks the changes won't make a difference. >> it's called the motion to row. it means that a bill could only be filibustered once it's being debated on the floor. even if adopted, it will still take 60 votes to pass anything in the senate. >> and steve also says that requiring senators to hold the
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floor like the old fashioned stewart goes to congress, mr. smith goes to congress, wouldn't also an major advance because ultimately republicans might like to showcase their obstructionism on fox news and become a champion of the right. what do you make of the reforms? >> well, i mean, first of all, we don't know what it's going to be yet. there's a lot of rumors swirling around in the building behind me right now. but what we think we do know is that reid whether mon we get ba january and he'll move reforms by a simple majority vote. and he will do that by overruling the parliamentary. so the vice president of the united states will probably be in the chair and the partliment taker will make a ruling and then the vice president will overrule his own parliamentar n parliamentarian. and they will object to that and the objection will be a 51 vote majority. and if they do that, that's the
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change to the senate rules. basically for all intents and purposes, it will say the senate has to go old school, has to go like it used to be, where senators like strong thurman got up on the senate floor and read cookbooks and phone books to protest civil rights legislation back in the 1960s. and back then, you actually had to do that. you had to stand up on the floor and talk. and you couldn't sit down. the rules of state, once you sit down, you lose the floor. so that's one of the things he'll move and he probably should move it. one of the things that steve talked about, though, is this issue of the motion to proceed. in america, they're like what the hell is that. noor do nor does it matter to most americans. but something to understand quickly, the motion to proceed is already not filibusterable. that's not a word, i just made that up. >> i like it, though. >> a good word. you can't spell it, nor can i. but the bottom line is in
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morning business, which is the first two hours much the senate's businessnot necessarily in the morning, the motion to proceed is not filibusterable. but they can filibuster once you get on the bill. so just so you know, what reid will move would not change the senate radically. the senate moved to filibuster reform in '67, '69, '79. the last time we changed the rules because under the republican led senate in 1986 so there were only 30 hours of post closure debate. republicans practice that move, not the democrats. >> so talking about filibuster reform and reforming the rules of the senate is coming up now because nothing gets done in the senate. do you think one of the reasons why nothing gets done in the senate is because the culture of the house has moved into the senate with more and more former
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members of the house moving in to the upper chamber and bringing that sort of, oh, i don't know, cantankerous nature? >> a good number are former house members. so that does give you sort of the mentality of majority or tyrannical rule which is the way the house works. always has. the senate is a different body. but when you put a bunch of old house members in to the senate, they keep thinking like house members. here's the problem with the senate. i'll be completely honest and i will catch a lot of hell for this. take cameras out of the senate chamber and members won't have a reason to sit down there and grand stand and they will make deals. it that's one way you could actually stop this slow moving senate, if you will. >> speaking of cameras, that split shot of john and jimmy was precious. >> battle of the shirts.
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>> i think i win. >> we are the best dressed show on cable television. >> we are both fabulous. >> true. >> jimmy williams, thank you much. up next, the difference between necked and naked. i can't wait. my doctor told me calcium
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potpourri. so -- >> that's like red neck. >> here's one more thing. quote, i always love theory giddy of some of those in my party. they're as originaled as a fireplace poker but without the occasional warmth. >> that's amazing. >> what a gem. >> another thing i love this week is while we did not win power ball, people did. cindy and mark hill of dearborn, missouri. if i can get that out. let's hear what they had to say on winning. >> we'd like to take all the kids to disney, but jayden has always wanted to go to the beach. so we may go someplace where she can put her toes in the sand. jayden, what did you want for christmas? >> pony. >> of course she wanted a phone any. my daughter asked for the same thing. they did tell her no. wonderful people. great to see it. >> that's nice. >> my favorite story from the week was the new york city cop
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who took time out of his day and money out of his wallet to buy a homeless guy a pair of shoes. just really nice. didn't know he was being photographed. someone snapped a photograph. it was pretty heartwarming. >> very sensitive. my favorite story of the week was when hector comacho, very sad. but then a comic thing when his girlfriend pulled back the veil and gave him a kiss which annoyed his girlfriend sitting in the front row. a food fight started. the sisters jumped in. it was like real housewives of boxing going at it. it was a mess. >> but i have to say, i think i speak for the whole table when i say my favorite table for the week was while our own se. cupp
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is not leaving for winning the power ball, but she's been urged to run as mayor of new york city. >> let's take a vote. >> you're not voting yes? >> everyone really just wants me off the show. i see what's happening here. >> no, nobody wants that. >> someone did start a draft s.e. -- no, just kidding. >> this is a fun story, flattering, but no plans to run. for a number of reasons. exhibit a, photos like this. photos like this exist of me. >> now, wait a second. a gal can't rest her dogs on the desk anymore? you can still seek higher office. >> what is your advice on dealing with pictures on the internet? >> what is more disqualifying, photos like that or photos of me like with animals that i've shot and killed? >> in new york city, the photos with animals.
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>> and i think that other one could help you a little bit with certain demographics. >> earlier today in the office, there was a mouse and s.e. was leading the charge to get it. tactical trap him this way, do that. she had no fear whatsoever. >> i'm always hunting in my head. >> she takes every opportunity possible. >> all right. so for many reasons, this is not happening. >> fine. i'll take my support elsewhere. up next, women get a bum wrap for not being funny. we're tracing the rise of women in comedy next. # #
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. would you believe i once entered a beauty contest? i not only came in last, i got 361 get well cards. >> at 40, you begin to wlooz your eyesight, i don't care who you are. you can't read the birthday card. at 50, the memory stat starts . at 60, you start to farthe. and at 70, you lose your sense of smell. so between 60 and 70, it is a terrible time. >> we're what i zi, we're on the go, we have food on the go, we have gogurt. yogurt for people on the go. was there a big mobility problem
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with yogurt before? how time consuming was it really? hello, oh, hi, tom, oh, i've been die to go see that movie. um, no, just opened up some yogurt. >> we have to accompany tax reduction and tax relief for americans, also having a dollar value meal at restaurants. >> what do you think about that, the catholic church would allow someone in -- welcome someone in who denies holocaust, isn't that offensive to you? >> what are you going to do? >> i love sarah silverman and all those ladies. anyone who serves women aren't funny deserves a whack up side the head. it was a figure of speech. >> sorry. >> woah!
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no more figures of speech over here. just concrete language. there's lots of incredible funny women from tina fey to sarah silverman, even the sweetly violence women i work with every day. >> really? >> really? >> all right. really. anyway, i don't want to live in a world without women came medians and neither does our next guest. the author of we kill the rise of women in american comedy. welcome, my sister. >> thanks for having me. >> so you can talk about smftd special challenges that women who want to enter comedy will face? >> i think i have to look at stand up and sketch a as two different art forms. the main challenge for stand ups is there is an idea out there that -- and this is true for a long time -- that stand up and telling jokes is masculine. and i think that's where a lot
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of the challenge comes in. and so i think that's partly where the women aren't funny things comes from. and i think it also comes from a la lack of awareness from female audiences. so if you're a female comic and you're getting up on stage and talking about something that's important to you or about the female experience, it's not considered universal. even though 50% of the population clearly experiences, you know, a lot of those things that some female comics talk about. >> so is there a fundamentally different way that women tend to approach comedy, are there common amities we can say about female comedians? >> not really. i mean, i think there are what they consider more masculine forms of humor and more feminine forms of humor. but men do some of the feminine stuff and women do some of the masculine stuff. so because joke telling is considered masculine, there are clearly a lot of women who get up there and tell jokes like a set up and punch line. and then story telling i think
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is generally considered a more -- these are very loose generalizations, but story telling is considered a more feminine form of humor. and i think that men do that, as well. louie ck does that. so both again dgenders cross th but those are the generalities. >> and fart jokes more masculine, right? >> actually, i think women tell them as much, they just don't necessarily tell them in front of the guys. >> about that, in terms of raunchy comedy, we've started to see more women branch out. what was the kristen wiig movie out. bridesmaids used a lot of raunchy comedy. has that been a hurdle? >> i think women have always done that kind humor. you look at the old snls and
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gilda radner was doing a lot of disgust being stuff and talking about sweat coming off her nose and like whatever in her meat. she did that. i think what's changed is, you know, the people in power, the network executives, studio executives, letting women express that side of them in a public way. so it's not that women didn't do it, it's not letting women ex were he is that side of themselves into a public way. it's just whether -- it's just getting it into the mainstream and showing that it does appeal to a mainstream audience. >> you know, i absolutely adore the late great phyllis diller. we showed a little bit of her earlier. one of the things that fascinates me about her, she writes about how she intentionally made herself look bad. she had this very trim and attractive figure. one time show posed for playboy, it was supposed to be a gag but the photos were too beautiful and they decided not to use them. now we have female comics who are truly beautiful and sort of embrace that.
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talk a little bit about that evolution of beauty for female comics. >> well, i think that evolution is very true especially in the world of standup. with phyllis diller, she was an attractive woman. and one of the things she did was she dressed up in costume to make herself look unattractive, and she also told jokes that were very deaf-deself-deprecati. she was also making fun of her husband. this is 1950s, 1960s america. not like women were doing that regularly. and she was self-deprecating and that also casts a long shadow over a lot of female standups. one of the big questions we ask is she self-deprecating? a lot of that goes back to phyllis diller's sense of humor. joan rivers also was self-deprecati self-deprecating. by the time you get to the 1970s, you have a lot of female
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comics who don't want to be self-deprecating anymore but they're still -- elaine boozeler said when she went on "the tonight show," she injected her show with all these self-deprecating jokes she did not want to do. it was imposed on them for a while because that's the way you wanted to see it. through the 1980s you had a lot of female stand-ups getting famous. there were attractive women who did stand-up back then. they just weren't necessarily the ones getting sitcoms, getting, you know, a lot of attention or, you know, attractive and beautiful. there's a feeling you have to be vulnerable on stage. and if you are a beautiful woman you automatically assume she's got in problems in life. i don't think that's true. but anyway -- >> talking about women and
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beauty, what about women comediennes and culture. i think of someone like wanda sykes who brings a whole lot of herself to her comedy. >> it's harder being gay than it is being black. it is. there's some things -- there's some things that i had to do as gay that i didn't have to do as black. i didn't have to come out black. >> so talk briefly -- she's black, she's lesbian, she's a woman. how much does culture play in women's comedy? >> culture in terms of your cultural break ground or your racial background? >> yeah. >> i think it plays into comedy as much as, you know, for women as much as it plays into it -- i would separate the fact she's a lesbian from the fact that she's black because, you know, black lesbians have a different set of challenges, i guess, that they face. >> absolutely correct. i wish we had a little more time
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story. once upon a time back in the '60s baseball had a thing call the reserve clause that bound players to their teams as long as owners wanted them. owners could renew contracts without players consent and players had no say in where they played. marvin miller was working his way up through the machinist union, the united autoworkers and the united steel workers. he knew the power of a strong union and if all the players walked, they could not be replaced. as the head of baseball's union he led them to strike three times and negotiated the end of the reserve clause. despite losing when his challenge to fre agency went to the supreme court he won it for the players in 1975. the minimum salary was $6,000 and the average was $52,000. he unleashed the players' earning potential by creating the free market we have today. he knew a finite free agent pool would drive up players value. now the minimum salary is about
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half a million and the ample is over $3 million. that may seem a lot to play a game and it is, but these men are almost all working class guys who hit the life lottery and have their lifetime earning potential max out in their early 30s. many athletes go broke after they finish playing and while owners can will their spot to their kids, players can't. so i'm always rooting for athletes to make as much as possible while they can and marvin miller is responsible for that modern economic landscape. that said, the union miller built and ran for 16 years would become too strong for its own good in the steroid era and helped block necessary reform for years. before the roud problem was really known, players were getting towering home runs and getting contracts and strengthening the union. miller whats a consultant to the union then but he was against testing which is a bizarre failure of vision from a visionary. this year barry bonds, roger en